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Old 09-05-2008, 10:28 AM
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no they are not. Georgia was attacking the regions in south ossetia which are pro-russian. response? russia pretty much fucks georgia up.

and now georgia is having a bitchfest trying to stir up anti-russian propaganda. it's like someone going up to a bee's nets, poking it, and then complaining about getting stung.russia didnt just decide "oh lets attack georgia". it was a provoked by georgia, so they suffered the consequences.

and how is america in ANY position to criticise russia for "disproportianate attacks on a soveriegn state" when they invaded and totally fucked Iraq up 5 years ago, with them now struggling to contain the emergence of a civil war.

seriously, all the ex soviet nations just have this vendetta against the russians. rather than working with them they are trying their utmost hardest to work against them, and it creates conflict. they are running to the west because they are a bunch of pussies.

This was a long time coming/planned attack from Russia. This has been going on ever since the fall of the Soviet era. Russian troops have been occupying in Georgia for long time in which Russia claims they are just the ''peacekeepers'' when in reality they are troops ready to start a conflict.

Furthermopre, ready Rukas post. You obviously have no idea.
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This was a long time coming/planned attack from Russia. This has been going on ever since the fall of the Soviet era. Russian troops have been occupying in Georgia for long time in which Russia claims they are just the ''peacekeepers'' when in reality they are troops ready to start a conflict.

Furthermopre, ready Rukas post. You obviously have no idea.
So Russia was planning to have Georgia attack the Russian separatist region of South Ossetia? Does that mean that Russia told Saakashvili (sp?) to attack the region to give Russia an excuse to invade? That doesn't make sense to me.

The fact is, Georgia tried to foolishly take back the region as its own. God knows why the fuck they even tried to do that is anyone's guess. Medvedev called the attack "stupid and boorish".

What exactly did Georgia EXPECT? Did they really expect that Russia wouldn't retaliate and move to protect the region? Did they think they would be able to "take the region back" without any peep from Russia?

Jesus... I mean, the retardation of Georgia is totally overwhelming, and I fail to see how a moron like Saakashvili is running the country! Look how unstable and sporadic his actions are...and you wonder why Russia has peacekeeping forces there.

I just think it's fucked up how everybody shits on Russia for defending its own territories.
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Once again, you have no clue. Russia is not defending its own teritorry (i would call u some names cause im so pissed at your ignorance but i wont cause i just registered and dont wanna cause shit).

The territory you are talking about is Georgia's. You are missing the point here. Two two breakaway regions are autonomous. They are part of Georgia still. They are not internationally recognized as independent even though they declare in their "own world" that they have independence. So the fighting that is going on is not on Russian territory, but on Georgia's territory, as so therefore, Georgia is defending its own territory you bonehead (sorry couldn’t resist).

No, Medvedev did not call Saakashvili and told him to attack those two breakaway regions. I said it was a coming plan from RUSSIAN side. Russia was planning this attack ever since probably early 90’s in order to gain that land.

Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia has been outrages towards those countries who went on their own to become independent. Especially to those that are pro western and pro democratic. This include Georgia and Ukrane. Russia can't seem to swollow this big blow. Shit, even Putin called it the greatest misfortune or some shit about the collapse of Soviet Union. Now, you can look at this and say Russia is just playing the 'big brother' role in trying to keep the things under control with Georgia and those two breakaway regions. But in reality if you just stand back, they can care less about those two regions. Those two regions are not rich in resources so they can't gain shit besides the territory. TERRITORY? bingo, thats excatly what they are aiming at. They have those breakaway regions presidents set up as their puppets (two presidents are most likely brought from Russia to be in charge of those two breakaway regions). Russia is telling them ''we are going to make sure we will protect you'' and they being the stupid they are are saying yes yes yes to everything Russia says to them. But down the line, they will annex those breakway regions. Get it got it? Good.

I agree in some way that our president was a bit foolish that he went on to attack Russia like that, plus if we also keep in mind that he was given the green light from US to do so (according to Jokermans’s theory which is probably true). But, the Russian forces were already occupying the regions there and they were actually moving in deep inside the regions. So, Georgia was under attack and we have no choice but to strike back to defend out territory. Yes, we expected the retaliation of course, but who in their right mind would stand back and allow their troops to just roll into the country and not do anything.

Lastly, please don’t say Russia has peacekeepers there. They are NOT peacekeepers (this is where media goes wrong buying into what Russia says). There have been Human Right Watch reports and other international reports confirming that Russia does NOT have peacekeepers there. They are simply military forces who are armed and ready to do whatever.
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The fact is, Georgia tried to foolishly take back the region as its own.
To be fair, South Ossetia wasn’t just minding it’s business when Georgia invaded. Earlier that week Ossetian forces attacked Georgian troops, killing two. Then a few days later they mortared a Georgian village which killed eight. Saakishvili then called for a cease-fire and urged separatist leaders to resume talks on a settlement. The response was more shelling of Georgian villages. So Georgia said enough and went in.

Of course, they also wanted an excuse to get back control of the region. The only way I see them thinking they could get away with it was by getting a green light from the US. So I put this current crisis in the laps of the neocons.
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Russia literlly hand South Osseatians Russian passports. This gave Russia a reason to say "Georgia attacked S. Ossetia, so we are only defending our citizens". Who in their right mind does this kind of behavior in this age of day? Giving out passports to other groups of people? Even international groups said this was unconstitutional behavior from Russia. Yes, they wanted to be seperate but like I said, they are barknig at the wrong tree. Because S. Ossetians are in Georgia's terittory. THEY have to move out of the terittory if they dont want to be part of Georgia.
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While this situation is not comfortable, it was clear that this is going to happen. What did you expect Ruk? That the US build their system, have rockets ready that can reach Moskau easly.... and they didn't react? Seriously, I don't really blame the russians for all that, I just CAN'T understand why Poland is now the new US buddy. A "friendship" like this always comes with a price.....

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While this situation is not comfortable, it was clear that this is going to happen. What did you expect Ruk? That the US build their system, have rockets ready that can reach Moskau easly.... and they didn't react? Seriously, I don't really blame the russians for all that, I just CAN'T understand why Poland is now the new US buddy. A "friendship" like this always comes with a price.....
That's because our current president doesn't listen to people and he does everything he wants. He hates Russia and that's the reason why he tries to do everything to show how we don't care about them.
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Maybe he has all the right to hate Russia. After what Russia has done and still continue to spread their sick communist ideas, who would not want to hate them. I'm not provoking you or anything, but Putin has Hitler and Stalin written all over him.
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