Android

[Flipmo]

To be honest, that's a pretty awesome nickname. lol

[Shadows]

Originally Posted by Sandeep14

oh no, 2 of my friends in class have nicknamed me "sandroid". should i be happy?

lmfao. I only think it's bad b/c i didn't think of it.

[Sandeep14]

one has a blackberry and i dont know what the other one has. they just came up with it after saying i promote android too much lol.

oh, btw did i mention at work, i educated everyone about android. now they have several android options in the back of their minds as opposed to just selecting the iphone or n97 as their next smartphone.

i gave my manager and another colleague a whole list of other android phones. that'll make them reconsider.

it was annoying because all i could hear was iphone iphone iphone on the other side of the office. and people with iphones who think they are happy, just became disappointed in their beloved device.

[Casey Rain]

fuck an iphone.

and Sandroid is an awesome name.

btw Masta, there is a default Android UI, it's the standard Android interface that comes on the G1, MyTouch, MotoDroid to name a few. Basically there's three tiers of Android:

1. "Google Experience". These are the Android devices that Google themselves are the most heavily invested in. Examples would be the G1 and MotoDroid. These have the default Android UI and the silkscreened "With Google" branding on the back of the hardware. These are created in partnership with Google, the handset manufacturer and sometimes the carrier as well (ie the MotoDroid had input from Google, Motorola and Verizon).

2. Manufacturer customised. These would be things like the HTC Hero (which has the HTC Sense UI), the Motorola DEXT/CLIQ (has the MotoBlur UI) and the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 (Rachael/NEXUS UI). These phones might have cool interfaces but I personally don't like them as much for two reasons - one is that I like a minimal OS from scratch where I can build it up myself to how I want it, and 2) they won't get updated as fast as "Google Experience" handsets. For example, the HTC Sense UI won't get a 2.0 upgrade till early 2010, the SE X10 isn't shipping till February and that will still be running Android 1.5 underneath the hood. Basically these companies are using the Open Source Android code, modifying it, and then licensing the Google Apps such as GTalk, Google Maps, YouTube etc to include them. Another problem with these is that the custom stuff that the vendors add usually isn't open source, so doesn't fit into the ethos of Android as a whole.

3. Basic low-end Android install. Because any company can download the Android code and build products with it without even notifying Google, there's random hardware popping up running bare bones Android without any Google Apps. Any hardware vendor worth it's salt will go for option 1 or 2, but there'll be random devices popping up running Android, particularly in places like China and Japan.

[3en]

Originally Posted by S O F I

Nerds will never undestand Apple because they only look at technical capabilities.

When people say the iPhone has the best UI for them, it's like the nerds don't even process the information. I don't care if my processor is slightly slower than yours, but using my phone makes me feel better and happier because it's convenient and sleek and I just fucking like it more.

I have a G1 by the way, I'm speaking for iPhone users though.

It's similar with macs. I've had a mac for about 6 months now and I'm still in love with it like the first day I bought it. I never had that feeling with a PC laptop and I had like 3 of them before this laptop. The uninstalling is so easy, not having to worry about viruses and anti-virus updates is so relieving, and everything is so sleek and looks awesome and I just like to set it down on my table and go to the other side of the room and just stare at the fucking apple that's lit up when I have the light all the way up. I like swiping the mousepad with four fingers and having all the windows come up. I like swiping up and having it all disappear and I don't care if windows 7 has it NOW. I like how programs and browsers look nice on a mac.

Nice post SOFI.

Android is perfect for the geek. iPhone is perfect for everyone else.

The Mac Vs PC debate is a non issue. Windows has been in catch up mode since Vista was released.

[3en]

Originally Posted by masta247

Obviously Windows 7 is far superior for a casual home user.
There are too many things you still can't do with Mac OSX (you can emulate but that doesn't count) plus right now with so many open source Unix systems getting a Mac is pointless unless you're a pro with graphics, audio, video editing or you're a fanboy/die hard fan of Mac's user interface.
So yeah, it's barely debatable, I agree that it's a matter of preference but saying that Mac is better than the best Windows system by far (even by the simple logic that Microsoft has a firm, stable grip on a huge majority of market right now) is just wrong.
I study at the IT school, all of my friends have laptops and we have free software. Most of us have tried Mac OS but only about 10% of people haven't deleted them (either because it couldn't do a lot of things they needed to do or simply because they didn't like it) so saying that people who dislike Macs are those who didn't use them is wrong. I would agree that there's a group of Windows fanboys or Mac haters just becase they find it cool to hate it but it's a minority.

Also, Android vs Mac OS on Iphones is not debatable at all as there's nothing to debate there. You can say that you like Iphone's user interface but the operating system itself has basically no advantages over Android. And I mean it - there's not even a single one probably while Android is really the shit right now.
I think the reason Iphones are still popular is because of the reason you pointed out in the earlier part about Macs but it works the other way around - people think Iphones are great because they didn't use Android and don't know how superior they are and how many more possibilities/advantages they offer.
Also, there are more people who think that it's cool to have Macs just for the fuck of it than those who hate on them for the same no-reason.

About MJ and Prince that's probably debatable but it's not my field of expertise.

Lol, Id love to hear you explain how Windows 7 is better for a casual user.

Mac OSX 10.6 is far superior to Windows 7 for the casual user.

-Applications out of the box (iLife suite of software for creating photos (iPhoto),movies (iMovie), music (Garageband) ,websites (iWeb) ,DVDs (iDVD). This quality of software for Windows would cost at least a couple hundred dollars, with mac you get it free.

-Best and easiest to use user interface of any OS

-Extremely fast boot times

-Excellent power management in OS X. When I close the lid to my MacBook Pro, it falls asleep. When I open the lid to my MacBook Pro, it wakes up. Imagine that! Seems to be the case 99% of the time, and it happens quickly.

-Apple uses good quality parts.

-No viruses

-Doesn't slow down over time

-There’s more interesting, useful, beautiful, and affordable software being developed for OS X. If you still believe that there’s no software for “the Mac,” you’re simply a fool who hasn’t done his or her research.

-OS X + Windows is better than just Windows. run windows through Bootcamp (if all else fails)

-Easier to troubleshoot Macs.

The number one reason why they are used often in professions like audio video and graphics is because they first and foremost are RELIABLE, Windows are not. I think every user would want that in a computer.

[S O F I]

Originally Posted by masta247

Why not buy the LG Arena for example? Almost the same UI + decent 3d acceleration with effects, higher res capacitive screen, better 5mpx autofocus camera with Schneider-Kreuznach optics and dual-led flash, better looks and it's smaller + much cheaper.

I've never heard of that phone. I don't think it's even offered here.

You know that I can't comprehend the Iphone hype
No matter how I want to look at it, no matter what you really want from your phone there are better solutions that are not that overpriced at the same time.

The thing with the US is that for the most part, you're stuck with a carrier and your option is to only get phones that are available with your carrier. Unlocked phones are just too damn expensive and canceling contracts is too. For example, I want a Droid but I CAN'T have it NOW. With Europeans, that is not an issue. They choose the phone they want, most of the time, without a significant hassle although they do have to pay for the unlocked phones but they don't have a different option. Although I've noticed with Casey that the UK is similar with the US in the "contract will own you" regard.

About the second part if I only understood why Apple products cause bigger erection amongst some guys than fe. Microsoft or Google products that for me don't look any worse I could reply directly, but it's also something I cannot understand.

You can't because you go to school with geeks who've been brainwashed with free microsoft products since the day they stepped into the technical school and because you're surrounded by the "foreign technical mindset" which is that things are only better if they are "technically" performing better. Eastern/Central European mindset.

You can make your Windows desktop look beautiful too and I think that a customized "7" looks better than the latest Mac?

Since Vista, Windows has been copying "widgets" and trying to make Windows look more like Mac OSX because the XP and before that system just looked so plain.


Also, to go back to what 3en said. Mac OSX is designed to be EASIER TO USE for people who aren't so computer-savvy therefore your casual user argument is out the window lol.

[ARon]

I had widgets on XP years back. Mac just came with it for "free", even though I had it for free too. 3en or whatever said you get all these "free" apps that come with a Mac, which is true, but you pay for it, cus everybody knows how overpriced Macs are. Plus you get those apps with Windows anyway. I just think people like Macs cus it is a trend, no denying it. They are easy to use, even though Windows is just as easy, and in some cases easier, but that goes both ways to tell the truth. Ehhh pretty much you have to chalk up Apple's success to it's marketing, not it's product, and that's the god damn truth.

[S O F I]

lol the only people who say that you can have a sustainable business model and a successful product for 20+ years based off of marketing and not product quality are the people who never studied marketing at all.


The first mac commercial came in like '84. "Think different", it said.

25 years is not a trend, my friend.

oh shit, me rhymed.

[ARon]

Originally Posted by S O F I

lol the only people who say that you can have a sustainable business model and a successful product for 20+ years based off of marketing and not product quality are the people who never studied marketing at all.


The first mac commercial came in like '84. "Think different", it said.

25 years is not a trend, my friend.

oh shit, me rhymed.

No doubt they make a quality product that has had longevity but I'm really making that remark towards it's latest growth of the past couple years. It's like people just now discovered mac's ya know.