By: DeeezNuuuts83 Date: 01-26-2009 , 05:08 PM

Auditory6 - while you're right about what you're saying, considering who Puff is dealing with. Chances are, those artists don't have lawyers or can't afford them at the time of signing, plus Mark Curry was pointing out how things were changed up on them and there were hidden fees. Plus I seriously doubt that Puff was like, "Hey yo, I'm gonna be in your video and charge you for my time and for my car being in it." He was probably just like, "I'll be in your video, you want me to roll up in the Bentley? It'll look nice and get people to watch your video."

It's no secret that Puffy is almost always shady. While you could argue that whichever artist should've had a good lawyer break it down, the whole point of signing to a black-owned label is because they're supposed to be down for you, otherwise those same acts should've just signed to a white-owned label and get fucked the same but at least expect it or know it's coming, vs. Puffy annoying you not only by farting on your record but charging you for his "appearance."

By: Auditory6 Date: 01-26-2009 , 06:55 PM

Now im not saying puff isnt shady, i dont know the guy I have no clue how he does business. Im saying the topics in that article were not shady acts on behalf of puff

Auditory6 - while you're right about what you're saying, considering who Puff is dealing with. Chances are, those artists don't have lawyers or can't afford them at the time of signing

Yeah but thats no excuse, if bad boy artists could not afford a lawyer themselves they should approach atlantic (whom bad boy records is under) and tell them they need a lawyer appointed to them. Obviously they will pay it back once they start generating income. Or approach any lawyer and explain the situation...many lawyers would jump at the opportunity to take a contract like that with no upfront cash.

plus Mark Curry was pointing out how things were changed up on them and there were hidden fees.

well if the paperwork was right that wouldnt be possible

Plus I seriously doubt that Puff was like, "Hey yo, I'm gonna be in your video and charge you for my time and for my car being in it." He was probably just like, "I'll be in your video, you want me to roll up in the Bentley? It'll look nice and get people to watch your video."

Why would puff care if his artists knew he was charging them for the feature and bently. If the artist isnt renting the bently from puff then there renting it from someone else. Either way the artist is gonna have to pay for that rental. And how is it surprising puff charged to feature on his artists songs??? Puffs got the name and its his operation. There obviously going to have to compensate him for that. You guys act like paying for features is some unheard of act. If the artist is too dumb to ask "so whats the business with the props and feature?" then its not on puff to go out of his way and explain the whole get down to these dumb ass fools.

While you could argue that whichever artist should've had a good lawyer break it down, the whole point of signing to a black-owned label is because they're supposed to be down for you, otherwise those same acts should've just signed to a white-owned label and get fucked the same but at least expect it or know it's coming, vs. Puffy annoying you not only by farting on your record but charging you for his "appearance."

This is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. I dont know where you live or what kind of black people you hang out with but the majority of the blacks i know are shady as fuck. Im sorry but you are one dumb ass nigga if you blindly sign a contract because its coming from a "black label". LMAO wow , thats a good one.

By: DeeezNuuuts83 Date: 01-26-2009 , 11:30 PM

^ Oh, come on man...

Atlantic isn't going to take care of some brand new Bad Boy artist. They're not just going to appoint a lawyer to an artist that they won't directly get money from, plus artists aren't so eager to work for a new artist who has zero buzz.

And why wouldn't it be a surprise for Puff to charge his artists for his "appearance"? He didn't give them a choice to have his vocals on there or not, he did it whether they liked it or not. He's their executive producer, not their featured vocalist. He has never had any business being on any song, past or present. I'm well aware of Puffy being able to market something to sell, but I've never heard of his stupid adlibs or video appearances being the driving force behind any of Bad Boy's successes.

And if the "majority of the blacks" you know are "shady as fuck," then I feel sorry for you, they must not respect you. I'm not saying every single black person out there is wanting to be your best friend, but I'm from Southern California and they're all here... ghetto ones and Carlton Banks-type ones. Shit, I was even hanging out with some Pirus on Saturday night, cool as fuck. Never did "shady" come to mind not just that night but any night in my life.

Nobody said that they were "blindly signing a contract" only because it's a black label. There's just a certain amount of trust that you have in someone else like you (at least in terms of race) who owns their label in what was originally a world of white-owned labels. Why doesn't that make sense? I'm not saying that just because someone else looks the same as you means that you can trust them with your life, but just at face value, if you're Korean and you walk into an establishment and you see a white salesman and a Korean salesperson, who do you think they're gonna want to go to? And who do you think they believe would be more likely to take care of them?

By: musolini Date: 01-27-2009 , 06:09 AM

cmon man, that aint puffys fault. niggaz is just dumb enough to fall in to that shit. niggaz even dumb enough to go to jail for that motherfucker. i would have killed the motherfucker than left of fo jail. but then again, anybody on bad boy needed to get fucked, by their own ceo that is.

By: Auditory6 Date: 01-27-2009 , 10:58 AM

Atlantic isn't going to take care of some brand new Bad Boy artist. They're not just going to appoint a lawyer to an artist that they won't directly get money from, plus artists aren't so eager to work for a new artist who has zero buzz.

I disagree I think that they would infact appoint him a lawyer.Lawyers would line up to be puff daddy's possible next big hit's representer. Really, it would have been noble of puff to appoint biggie a lawyer. But even if they didn't, all you got to do is run through the phone book, explain your situation and quite a few lawyers would LOVE to represent puff daddy's next big thing without upfront pay.

And why wouldn't it be a surprise for Puff to charge his artists for his "appearance"? He didn't give them a choice to have his vocals on there or not, he did it whether they liked it or not. He's their executive producer, not their featured vocalist. He has never had any business being on any song, past or present. I'm well aware of Puffy being able to market something to sell, but I've never heard of his stupid adlibs or video appearances being the driving force behind any of Bad Boy's successes.

Its hard to really have a detailed debate about the subject that the both of us are basing our argument off a 3 paragraph article and not knowing the situation at all. Were unaware if there was actual fee's, or if he took a percentage of the song or took fee's and a percentage of the song. So again its hard to accurately debate on it. But, again it comes down to the contract. If it was in writing before those artist's signed...whether its morally right of puff or not...didnt like it, shouldnt of signed.

And if the "majority of the blacks" you know are "shady as fuck," then I feel sorry for you, they must not respect you. I'm not saying every single black person out there is wanting to be your best friend, but I'm from Southern California and they're all here... ghetto ones and Carlton Banks-type ones. Shit, I was even hanging out with some Pirus on Saturday night, cool as fuck. Never did "shady" come to mind not just that night but any night in my life.

When i say shady as fuck, i dont mean out to get you and are always gonna rob you blah blah blah. I have more black friends then any other race. And of course when hanging with pirus and carlton bank black dudes "shady" wont come to mind not even once. Just like puffs artists kickin it with him prolly didnt have "shady" come to mind not once. Thats the definition of "shady", cool as fuck to be around, nice people and are probably the homies. But dont lend them mutha fuckas 1k and expect to get it back and certainly dont sign a multi million dollar contract and expect not to get fucked.

Nobody said that they were "blindly signing a contract" only because it's a black label. There's just a certain amount of trust that you have in someone else like you (at least in terms of race) who owns their label in what was originally a world of white-owned labels. Why doesn't that make sense?

well obviously that "certain amount of trust" is abunch of bullshit otherwise puff wouldnt have "Shady charactor" stamped all over his name, suge wouldnt of been forcing people to sign contracts at gun point and biggie/tupac would still be alive.

but just at face value, if you're Korean and you walk into an establishment and you see a white salesman and a Korean salesperson, who do you think they're gonna want to go to? And who do you think they believe would be more likely to take care of them?

I understand what your saying, but business has no race. koreans fuck koreans over aaallllll day. werent they in a civil war not too long ago.

By: DeeezNuuuts83 Date: 01-27-2009 , 11:01 AM

^ Some of the fault lies with Puffy. If he straight up said, "Hey, I'm gonna fuck you over and make you pay for every second of my time I invest in you, sign here," then that's on the artist. Chances are, Puffy was a little more misleading and probably just like, "You're in the Bad Boy family now, sign here." When a ton of previous Bad Boy acts (112, the LOX, now Mark Curry) come out and say how Puffy snaked them, then it's obviously not totally on them when they all share the same experiences.

By: Auditory6 Date: 01-27-2009 , 11:12 AM

I feel you

By: DammiT Date: 01-28-2009 , 12:09 AM

Well, there are a lot of labels, & not even all of the CEO want to be in videos & records like Puff did & do it.

Guess he wants easy money & business facilities

By: jay2thec Date: 01-30-2009 , 05:35 PM

CORPORATE INTEREST


nuff said

By: Auditory6 Date: 01-31-2009 , 11:19 AM

Well, there are a lot of labels, & not even all of the CEO want to be in videos & records like Puff did & do it.

yeah and none are as successful as puff either. Maybe they should take notes